Vince of streetsmart language learning and your humble servant had a “debate” about the merits of grammar learning, when to do it and how much of it we need, and even how to do it. I am sure we both feel that we did not get all our licks in.Skype was not cooperating and our discussion was dropped twice, so there are three audio files. I would be happy to have similar debates or discussions with any of you, in any language that we have in common. This debate is interesting to contrast with the interview I had with Professor Sakai of Tadoku, where we basically agree on most things. Language learning is personal, and we can choose our own road. I think, however, that most serious learners have a similar goal, to understand and to speak, and to get there in the shortest possible time,while enjoying the process. I also think that many learners like talking about their favourite ways of learning.